Deep Burning Question

[arbalest-bolt.livejournal.com]

I am wondering, has anyone here read the light novels? I fell upon an entry on TV Tropes regarding them, and it blew my mind. I have burning questions and am illiterate in Japanese. Is there anyone out there?

And if this is not allowed, please do not hesitate to slap me. D:

I read on TV tropes that Laharl's Aunt Yasurl/Yasuruu is responsible for Laharl's aversion to busty women. What exactly did she do to him?! D:

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[overlords_wrath]

...wow. Just. Wow. @_@

And yet... he's still not as screwed up as Mao. That took... something. lol

[madsciencemaou.livejournal.com]

...What's that supposed to mean?

Then again, Mao had to go through that kind of thing for a good 200 years. And repressed it. Laharl might not have dealt with it in the best way, but he did more than Mao did. XD

[overlords_wrath]

You're screwed up, white-haired freak. :/

...Apparently. But then... even then I wonder how he dealt with it. o.O;;;;

[arbalest-bolt.livejournal.com]

I KNOW. I've always seen Laharl as more mentally stable than Mao. After hearing all this, I think he deserves a fucking medal.

[defade.livejournal.com]

Word. 100 years of abuse is not something to scoff at, demon or no.

K-man fail. At the same time you wonder how Gwen must've felt, if she was there...watching your own son going through horrible things but being completely powerless as a Prinny.

[shadowdancer09.livejournal.com]

Woah, 100?!

I think the shattered remains of the failometer have burst into flame.

Man... I can't even begin to imagine what Gwen was feeling.

[arbalest-bolt.livejournal.com]

Oh Hell...I forgot about his mom being there...dear God.... K-man, wtf?! You go be emo while your wife and son suffer. I was always bothered about how Larl didn't care when his dad died. Now....not so much. Fridge brilliance

[overlords_wrath]

A.. A hundred years... o___o

Big fail. D: He must have been utterly clueless, cause there's no way he'd have let that happen. We know he loves Laharl really. :( And did help Etna.. so... yeah. .__. he had to have been clueless.

Oh gads. X___x Gwen. D: If she had to watch that... Did he go to his aunt and uncles place, or were they at the castle? (If it was even said, anyways XD)

[defade.livejournal.com]

I agree, ignorance doesn't excuse the amount of parenting fail, but I don't think he'd willingly let Laharl go through something like that. I guess he really wasn't thinking straight when he made that decision...and in contrast to her wife, Vevusio isn't actually that bad, I guess K-man didn't factor Yasurl in. It's natural for him to trust his own brother, I guess.

He went to his aunt and uncle's place, which...might've spared Gwen from watching all that if she stayed in the castle. But I can't imagine she'd be happy about not seeing her son for 100 years.

[overlords_wrath]

Absolutely horrible parenting fail. D: But, yeah, that all makes sense. It couldn't have been the most well thought out decision at all. :<

Ah, that's good! Well... good she was spared from watching it, but in that case, bad for Laharl. DX But yeah, she would have worried that whole time he was gone something awful, undoubtedly. :( As much as she's tried not to interfere as a prinny, I can't imagine she'd have sat by idly and let such a thing happen either if she'd been there to see it. She prolly woulda figured out something to do.

[defade.livejournal.com]

Laharl probably never told him, but I imagine he'd feel guilty as hell if he ever found out.:/

Apparently all prinnies have some sort of 'conscience circuit' that prevents them from doing anything that's not a direct order from the reigning overlord(or maybe their master? Etna didn't make it very clear in the novels), which at that time would be K-man, drowning his sorrows in some corner and freezing lakes. So if Gwen is not exempt from this rule, then she couldn't have done anything other than sweeping the floor or making dinner even if she witnessed it. :/

It absolutely sucks to be Laharl at that point. Losing both of his parents in near succession and enduring 100 years of abuse - it's a miracle he came out of that relatively stable.:o No wonder he hates love so much - deprived him of a mother, and his father's love did shit for him when he needed it the most.

[arbalest-bolt.livejournal.com]

For serious. And even after all that, even early in the game he spares his enemies (Hoggy, etc.). Mental stability win.

[overlords_wrath]

Absolutely. D: Laharl'd never tell anyone about it. When he finally returned home, his son was probably a very different person. :( Krichevskoy would definitely be wracked with guilt. D:

Hmmm... she did give Flonne medicine in the game which was by no order... and the lack of her "dood"ing, does seem to hint she is kind of special... of course, by time we see her in game, she long since worked off her debt so, that could have something to do with it. lol But orz t-that sucks. DX Makes me think of that one lil' comic with Laharl and prinny!mama.

Yes. ;-; Absolutely.

This is all so weird in a way... I've been headcanoning for awhile the idea that Krichevskoy had major parenting fail when his mother died. Course, this far exceeded what we'd thought of, but yeah. @__@ The thought that Krich struggled for awhile since 1. Laharl does resemble his mother and 2. Laharl was the cause of his mother's death. Not that Krich would blame him for it... but a little resentment might have been there. :(

Gads, this deepens the abandonment issue he has too. :( Mother 'abandons him' .. then his father abandons him for 100 years... @__@

Definitely a true blue miracle at works here.

[defade.livejournal.com]

I wished the author would go into more detail on how Laharl's personality changed as a result of those 100 years...I feel like they should weigh a lot in his characterization. There's that 7th or 8th book that had Laharl accidentally revert to a baby, which *might* shed some light on that depending on whether he mentally regressed or not, but alas, I only have access up to the 6th book. :/

Good point on the Flonne thing. I wish N1 would give us an explanation on how different the non-dooding prinnies are(Asagi, Laharl, Kurtis etc...), since they seem to have a higher degree of freedom than the normal prinnies...I guess it's possible that Gwen was an exception as well.

Same here. The first thing that came to mind when I read about Gwen in the Reincarnation chapter was "How would Kri face Laharl when he was the cause for Gwen's death?", I guess the novel answered that by having Kri take the third option of not dealing with it at all. I do wonder if Kri ever tried making it up to Laharl somehow, or if Laharl just completely closed himself off to his father after that. Damn, that wouldn't be pleasant for Gwen to witness either. The family's gotten pretty messed up after Gwen's death ._.

When I look at Laharl from that perspective, he suddenly seems a lot more mentally mature than his spoiled brat attitude would credit him for (which is probably caused by that period in his life anyways). I could sort of see it within the game, but this just drives home the point.

And talking about abandonment issues, I haven't seen this touched upon in the novel yet, but since he genuinely likes Gordon and Jennifer, it's probably not going to be sunshine and rainbows when they live out their human lifespan and bite the dust.D:

[overlords_wrath]

Yeaaah... that had to have big time. Ah! Yes, I've seen the art from that novel. I... do kinda have a feeling maybe he did revert, given his expressions. I mean... he's snuggled up to a prinny, sucking his thumb in one picture. |D It might've been to a pre-aunt state, course. Although by those novels d2 canon has snuck in and... I'm not sure how continuity worked at that point. Lol Nenena's site has art from all the novels. *A*

Mmm... well, hopefully D4 might shed some light given that it seems they'll be talking a lot more about the creation of prinnies in it. *A*

I'd imagine he tried, but by that point there was undoubtedly a huge wall between them. D: and seemed like Kri seemed to think Laharl was just giving him demon answers or whatever. I guess he never thought to look deeper... That... really wouldn't either. orz They really, really did. ;-;

Oh yes. Laharl is a lot more mature than some people give him credit for. (Although which voice track kinda has a big impact on that perception too.) He's horribly bratty sometimes, and surprisingly mature in others. And, while he always seems crazy in other cameos, he's pretty much the SANE one in Disgaea. He spends half the game exasperated at everyone else. XD It's definitely there in the game. :3 But yes, it does certainly. D:

Aww, yeah. D: Far as I gather later novels are 100 years in the future and he like... goes into the past to get their help or something? lol

[overlords_wrath]

...Or then again, maybe not pre-aunt state... I don't know why I didn't notice till now, but the group picture in that one novel... his aunt and uncle are in the corner.. and...a tiny Laharl with tears in his eyes ohgod;oaisj;daoisdja; Laharl ;-;

[defade.livejournal.com]

Oh gawds that's true.;_; Quick, someone go and give him a flat-chested hug! I really, really hope that Yasurl won't be planning on taking advantage of his state....

[defade.livejournal.com]

Oh man, I laughed so hard a that pic with Ozonne running away crying because baby!Laharl snuggled up to Flonne. Don't just choose one pettanko over the other, Laharl! Get both! (extremely amused that Laharl is the only male lead that consistently shows up with two girls in his cameos) But you're right, he does seem to have regressed mentally as well. I really want to read that now....XD I guess I have to try my hand at buying it from Japan then. The novels do seem to suffer continuity problems with D2 taking place 120 years after D1...but it's not like the games themselves don't have a horde of them to begin with.XD Mao's cameo in Disgae Infinite and all...

lol I'm of the opinion that his character has undergone some mysterious decay in his cameos.XD It's like N1 played his bratty attitude way over the top and forgot to give him the maturity he held in Disgaea 1.(the incident that really stood out to me was when he requested the reapers to guide Kurtis's soul to his family) Blowing up a planet is undoubtedly crazy awesome and all, but it didn't seem like the actions of someone who held back when destroying 2 million spaceships just so the passengers could escape. I feel like his treatment is getting worse and worse with each of his cameos.XDDD Wonder if they're going to make him even crazier in D4...

On Love involves a crap load of time traveling. There's Laharl ending up in his mother's time, Gwen ending up in (from her perspective) the future Netherworld, and Laharl jumping onto Gordon's ship and crossing space and time to return to the future.XD And Gordon has finally been promoted from 'Overlord's slave' to 'Overlord's butler'! lol

[overlords_wrath]

Lol XD I'm a shameless LXF fan, so I'm all good with that arrangement. ;) I guess the writer had no idea when they were writing the D1 ones that they were only gonna jump 3 years for D2. It kinda screwed them up. XD;;; Be interesting to see how the writer addresses it... or if he just ignores it, lmao. But oh god yes. XD They have throne continuity to the wind in a fourth wall breaking-ness... although I gather Mao's cameo in DI IS pre-Overlord Mao...

...OMG, you are exactly on the same page as me. That's exactly my opinion too. Etna and Flonne... especially Etna, haven't faired too well either as Cameos have gone by. Laharl's isn't as severe, but you reaaaalllllly gotta read between his words to try to make sense of it. But yeah, that bad ending never struck me as IC at all. :( I love being able to use him in other games, but the scenes make me cry inside. They truly do. They kinda kill the first game's integrity. :< This is why I'm dying for the novels.. I'd much rather play with their post canon than the cameo's. Man, I HOPE NOT. T_T I'm HOPING there will be some, idk, NICE new canon for them. Flonne's unpunished appearance makes me hopeful, but it might be foolishly. ;-;

Oh she actually gets pulled to the future? Man. @__@ I really can't wait to see this XD I got to rp off someone trying Mama couple times, but it's full of guessing games trying to figure out how to have him react to her. Be interesting when can see how off or on I was. XD (I seem to have a pretty good record thus far, I'm noticing o.O)

[shadowdancer09.livejournal.com]

lol, well, Jen already said the first part of what I was gonna say, so...

I figure that he does have some amount of guilt over the whole thing, and it shows especially in Chapter 8. I mean, he does say "I will leave it to the one who loves him most." Even if he doesn't know about the abuse, it kind of implies that he knows there was something wrong there.

And, once again, he seems to not be dealing with anything there himself.

[burnfist23.livejournal.com]

I really hate saying this because I like him, but after hearing that Laharl's fear of sexy women is caused by 100 years of abuse from his fanatical racist aunt, I gotta say it: Adell, you are a wuss for hating women over two scars from a clearly suspicious succubus! (I'm not sure if you've read it, but does the Disgaea 2 novelization at least paint Adell's aversion to women in a different light?)

[defade.livejournal.com]

I don't actually have access to Disagaea 2 novels, so no. But I really doubt that the author is going to paint it in a different light when Adell's reason has been given in-game, since he hasn't done anything to completely contradict canon as far as I know. (aside from Disgaea 2 taking place 120 years later)

What in-game chapter is this revealed in? Sometimes the Japanese drop comments about the novel on play vids, so if the author did give him a different reason, they'd probably mention it.

[burnfist23.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm not expecting it to contradict canon, but I'm thinking that the novels add a little more to make it more than just "I got scratched across the face by succubus, therefore I hate women".

It's chapter 6, stage 3, the tournament.

[defade.livejournal.com]

Okay, I checked the video out, and nobody mentioned the novel adding anything to it. In fact, one of the tags on the vid says (in a somewhat sarcastic tone) "Adell hates women because one of them scratched his face".

So yeah. I guess his wuss excuse stays as a wuss excuse.

[arbalest-bolt.livejournal.com]

I like Adell too, but I agree he has been pussified by all this!